TaxCoach Briefs: January 21, 2010
Volume 5, Number 3
- Spotlight on Strategy: S Corporation Update
- Client Alert: Haitian Relief
- Testimonial of the Week: $11,000 in Planning Fees
- Did You Know: Customizable Summary Report
- Member Resource: Member Call-in With Ed and Keith
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SPOTLIGHT ON
STRATEGY
(EAL)
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S CORPORATION UPDATE
Since Keith and I launched the weekly Member Call-In last October, we've
seen certain subjects appear over and over. While most of the questions
revolve around TaxCoach marketing, we've also answered various technical
questions. And by far the most popular questions involve the Section 105
medical expense reimbursement plan and strategies for S-corporations.
We're all familiar with using S corporations to minimize employment tax.
But how aggressive can we be? How far can we cut our clients' employment tax?
The question is more important now as the IRS begins taking a harder look at
S-corps.
According to IRS figures, the "average" S corporation delivers
approximately 41.5% of its economic benefit to shareholders in the form of
salary and the remaining 58.5% in the form of K1 distributions. Of course,
that's just an average, and covers a lot of different circumstances. Former
Presidential candidate and famed philanderer John Edwards organized his law
practice as an S-corp four years before joining the U.S. Senate, paid himself
a salary of $360,000, and avoided over $562,000 in Medicare tax during those
years.
The key to paying "reasonable compensation" is to determine how much
comparable employees are paid by comparable corporations to perform comparable
work. Unfortunately, neither the internal revenue code nor treasury
regulations offer specific guidance for determining "reasonable compensation."
That leaves practitioners like us scrambling to do the job:
- In some cases, you can use industry averages and surveys. In my personal
practice, for example, I established S-corps for real estate agents, and
used average salary figures from the National Association of Realtors as a
starting point.
- You can find salary data online at places like http://www.salary.com/.
- Or you can simply ask your client. In one case, I did a plan for a hair
salon owner who paid himself a $95,000 salary to "zero out" the profit from
his C-corp. I recommended switching to an S-corp, and asked how much he
would have to pay a manager to replace himself. He told me $45-50,000, and
eventually settled on a figure in that range.
These questions will become more important as Washington starts taking a
closer look at S corporation issues -- especially those involving shareholder
compensation. The General Accounting Office just released a report, Actions Needed to
Address Noncompliance with S Corporation Tax Rules, revealing several
areas of concern:
- For starters, 68% of S-corps filing returns for 2003 and 2004
misreported at least one item. 80% of those errors favored the taxpayer.
- 13% of S corporations paid inadequate wages to shareholders. The
smallest corporations, those with 1-3 shareholders, were the worst
offenders.
- Several options exist for closing that "wage gap." They include making
all S corporation income subject to employment tax, making all
service business income subject to employment tax, or making all
active shareholder or majority shareholder income subject to
employment tax. Of course, these changes would require legislation -- and
Congress has shown no great appetite for changing S corporation income
rules.
Because the S corporation is such a popular strategy for TaxCoach members,
we'll be keeping a close eye on these issues. And remember that TaxCoach gives
you several resources for presenting S corporations to your client. These
include a TaxCoach strategy module, an Implementation Guide (which you'll find
under "Forms and Templates"), and a PowerPoint mini-presentation (which you'll
find in the Playbook under "Seminar Kits").
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CLIENT
ALERT
(EAL)
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TAX BREAKS FOR HAITIAN RELIEF
The recent earthquake in Haiti reminds us all to count our blessings. Even
in today’s lousy economy, Americans are finding ways to give generously to
ease the disaster.
We're preparing a new Client Alert with information on charitable
deductions for earthquake relief. As these Briefs go to press, the
House has just passed legislation letting taxpayers treat cash donations for
earthquake relief, made before March 1 of this year, as having been made in
2009. We're waiting to see how this legislation progresses before releasing
the actual alert -- and your clients will appreciate you showing that you're
doing the same.
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MEMBER
TESTIMONIAL OF THE WEEK
(KAV)
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Dear Ed & Keith,
TaxCoach Software helped me to close three cases, for total revenue of
$11,000.
Project analysis: 26 letters mailed, 4 incoming calls, 3 appointments, 3
sales, 6 hours invested (includes driving time). Average hourly earnings =
$1833.00
Thanks for a great system!
Greg Dalpe,
Family Financial Network, LLC
Alta
Loma, CA
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DID YOU KNOW .
. . (KAV)
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CUSTOMIZABLE SUMMARY REPORT
. . . TaxCoach lets you download the Summary Report into MS Word or other
word processor? This feature lets you add your own formatting, as well as edit
the text, prioritize the highlights, add emphasis and other notes, etc..
The summary report is so important as a discussion document, or as a
'teaser,' that tailoring it specifically to a single client can really help
your sales and delivery efforts. Turn the advice you've always given away for
free into a planning engagement that rewards you for the value you
bring to the client! The client will appreciate it, too.
On the Reports screen, under the orange 'Generate Summary' button, just
check the box entitled 'Format:DOC' and save the file to your computer when
you click on 'Generate.'
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MEMBER
RESOURCE
(KAV)
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MEMBER CALL-IN WITH ED AND KEITH
Had to miss the call-in this week myself, but Ed tells me it was awesome.
Seems we had the usual good attendance and varied topics, but this week we had
a particular focus on clients not implementing our tax advice — over a
dozen follow-up comments from different participants! Typically we don't show
much of the follow-up comments in this column, but we left it all in this
week, so you could enjoy the lively discussion.
Here's an excerpt of questions and comments raised by callers this week,
straight from the call log:
- Taxpayer is a lawyer, operating the business as an S-Corp. Including
himself, the S-Corp has 4 employees. How can a MERP be set up to solve this
problem situation?
- I'm not quite sure how being a real estate professional is different
than being a real estate dealer in that each is decided on a property by
property basis. So if I'm classified as a dealer for a piece of property it
doesn't have any tax ramifications if I am a RE Pro or not? Am I missing
something?
- Do you have any experience with any member marketing tax palnning
service to doctors market segment.
- Considering asking our commercial clients w/ recurring monthly billing
to let us "draft" their business bank acct via an "ACH." What do you see as
"pros" and "cons" of this plan?
- I have led a horse to water, and they won't drink. What do you do about
a client that can't or won't implement my tax advice? Tough to prove my
value if they won't form an S-Corp or contribute to a SEP to save over $15k
per year. They seem to always have an excuse for NOT acting proactively. How
would you handle?
- Tell them if they are not going to implement, you are going to have to
resign...ask why are you paying me for advice and not taking it...
- When a client doesn't listen to you, write down your notes, and then
go on to the next client. Don't waste any more time on dead deals. You
never know when they will come back. I have been working with several
clients for five years to get things to happen.
- For the non-implementer - has he run a sample tax return to show the
client how the savings occurs?
- Kind of have to question the client relationship..obviously they don't
value your advice, or maybe are getting conflicting advice from someplace
else
- Do the reverse of Eds seperate return. prepare a what if return
showing them the tax savings they are throwing away.
- for the client who won't commit to your tax planning ideas... ask him
why he won't commit to the planning ideas. Why won't he decide to take
your suggestion. Ask him what it will take to get him to decide/act
practively.
- Resolve that you're not going to influence everyone. People are
complex creatures whose behavior is not really predictible; human behavior
can't be explained. Bottom line: most people will respond as expected, but
some will not and we will never really know why. It's a game of
numbers--get enought prospects and you will close enough. I once saw a
person spend over $1million to defend himself against a $200,000
lawsuit--go figure. This person was clearly not rational.
- Horse to water issue - shift the context "So being able to save enough
to cover 5 months of mortgage payments or a year of college tuition, isn't
important to you?
- Appreciate the inputs everyone, thanks!
- Spoke last Wednesday @ Seniors Luncheon & used Tax Coach Retirees
Power Point module. Picked up 4 new tax cleints. Thnak you. Was
subsequesntly asked to speak @ a "Teachers' group.
- Teachers tend to be spouses of business owners and are a great source
of referrals (my wife is a teacher and I get alot of work through her
network).
- For teachers, would they be better off to donate the supplies they buy
and get a letter from the school for the donation rather than having to
take the balance over $250 as a 2% misc.
- Joint venturing spoke about a planner coming to a CTC with boatload of
their clients returns for the CTC to do a T. R. diagnosis. How could/would I
do that for my clients (without violating confidentiality). What would I
necessarily look at and/or bring to a F.Planner to see if a specific client
would be a good candidate for them?
- That was an amazing call. Thanks!
If you're looking for clarification on tax strategies or profiting from
TaxCoach too, join us for the next call, on Wednesday January 27, at
1pm Eastern. Enter a question or just listen in on the repartee. Check the
"Contact Us" button within TaxCoach for registration instructions.
While we are happy to answer questions on TaxCoach marketing, concepts, and
strategies, we can no longer continue to analyze detailed case studies.
Specific client scenarios generally involve detailed factors outside our
knowledge, and we have determined (along with our attorneys at Crane, Poole,
and Schmidt) that we aren't comfortable addressing those scenarios.
Unfortunately, we're just not set up to act as an "on the fly" research
service. (If you're looking for that sort of support, take a look at the Certified Tax
Coach™ program.)
Members occasionally ask if we can record and archive these calls. The
answer is that we want to keep them as informal and uninhibited as possible.
For example, we’ve discussed outside tax software and marketing services (both
good and not-so-good), and we don’t want to put ourselves on record with those
comments. Member Call-Ins are intended to be casual discussions among peers –
and we don’t want recording them to threaten that chemistry.
While our elite members (All-Stars, Press Club, and Hall of Fame) can still
schedule time directly with Ed as part of their coaching programs, we simply
cannot answer marketing and tax-strategy questions via email or unscheduled
calls.
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We can answer questions on using TaxCoach system features anytime. (Save
marketing and tax strategy questions for Member Call-Ins.) For best response,
email support@taxcoachsoftware.com.
If we think the answer will be useful to all of our members, we'll publish it
(anonymously) here in the 'Member Q & A' section of TaxCoach Briefs.
Regards,
Ed Lyon
Keith VandeStadt
http://www.taxcoachsoftware.com/
(513)
321-2820
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